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Bill21:
How do folks on here feel about this? I ask because there was a guy on Facebook The other day throwing his toys out of the pram because someone produced something similar to one of his works. I must admit I haven’t seen either piece so I don’t know how similar they are. It appears the offended person posts lots of pictures of his work on FB and I think he does YT demos as well.

Hard to tell these days but I think many if not most of the professional turners that do (did) demos at our club would be quite offended if people didn’t try their own version. What’s the point otherwise?

bodrighywood:
If you do a demo then it is pretty much expected that people will emulate the work. That is part of the point of them, to share ideas. Where it is a blatant copy of something I make then personally I would like people to at least give credit where due. E.G if you make a viking bowl then refer to Nick Agar. Bottom line it can be argued that nothing is actually new but there are areas that are known as a certain persons work. I used to specialise in goblets and had several styles that I developed myself e.g. medieval goblets, tipsy goblets. I have since seen others making them, sometimes no reference to the source of the idea and yes it can rankle a bit. I now rarely make them. It can be a minefield legally as well as some turners have registered design rights which can be pursued in court if copied without permission and those laws vary from country to country. Bottom line if you want to copy someones work then ideally at least give credit e.g. 'Inspired by work of ......'

Pete

Bryan Milham:
As Pete says, if you demo it, you are inviting people to cy it or make their version of it.
Likewise anything described in a printed magazine is there as a project for you to attempt.

And again as Pete says, give credit to the original designer  where there is a strong case for your work being a copy. If you've used it as a stepping off point and developed it further that may be a different thing altogether.

Twisted Trees:
It can be difficult to credit a design to any particular turner, I frequently do sketches when away from the lathe and the internet often from shapes I observe in nature as I am mostly into organic style work, get home make them let someone see them and they say "Oh yes that is like xyz's work on FaceTube" now I can't honestly say I never saw it, and had an image in my memory, nor can I say that following the flow of the grain would lead many to the same basic curve (lets face it we only have curves and not curves to work with!)

Yes when directly influenced you can say influenced by xyz, but if it is a year or two later and the influence is forgotten but the shape remembered that is less easy.

Personally I shamelessly plagiarise most frequently from seeing a finished shape, I feel the need to make it to see how the cuts get put together to end up there, those will be credited,  I also inadvertently plagiarise as I look at a lot of peoples work on the internet, in galleries, shows etc. and some time later I will make something that has a design from my memory but it will be driven by the shape and grain pattern of the wood flowing into the memory of a shape, then I couldn't credit anyone as I wouldn't know where the memory came from.

Multi-part pieces or mechanically functioning pieces may be different.

Mark Hancock:
As stated above give credit where it's due.

The issue of plagiarism is more of a concern to professional turners when the copier starts selling the work usually at a much reduced price. Without resorting to legal channels such as copyright etc there is very little that can be done. At the end of the day it comes down to an individual's morals and what they deem to be the right thing to do.

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