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bodrighywood:
OK Richard, techincally you are correct but I think everyone knows what we mean. Do we really want to get into all the specific definitions of things? Try googling 'artistic plagiarism' by the way, it is a generally accepted term.  Copying without acknowlegdment or permission. It can't be defined as forgery unless you are passing it off as an original work. The simple fact is if you spend time trying to create something that is different in order to sell then someone copies it without permission or acknowledgement of your original work then that very frustrating, immoral and potentially illegal.


Pete

Twisted Trees:
Problem is Pete, I hold the copyright and trademark on a couple of logo's that have nothing to do with wood or turning! it was copied in Spain but with a word changed, I challenged it but was informed by the Spanish trademark body that because the application said Spain and not Association then it was substantially different, and they granted the trademark. I sort of won that one by trademarking one that said Espania  instead of Spain and used their documents against them, but it cost money just to be annoying! the same has been used against a couple of traders selling goods with the logo on it and I got them to agree to stop selling, but only because it wasn't worth the hassle to them if I had to back it up with court action, I couldn't afford to do that.

Sign in a sandwich shop I used to frequent when I worked in London summed it up, "There is nothing a man can make that can't be made a little bit cheaper, and a little bit worse"

I think Mo's art combined with your turning may be more defendable as a design than any round and brown based shape. but as you specialise in unique works of art, it would never be cost effective to fight for it. The only real advantage you have is to get it in front of the buyer with your name/s on it first.

bodrighywood:
Pretty much agree Pete. Design rights are a bit different and (hopefully) having the comment on our images now will make people stop and think. You will never stop everyone copying and I am not sure I want to but it would be nice if people stopped and acknowledged the source of their inspiration.  Friends of ours in the furniture industry took a german company to court for breaking design rights and won. Cost a fortune initially but they got that all back in costs plus the ground breaking rling regarding design rights. Been taken up now by ACID. Most turners coudn't afford to do it but nice to know that at least the ethical and legal premise ois on our side.

Pete

turningGreen:
As a newbie if I copy someones work it's because I admire it and try to emulate it and mostly fail, but I would never sell if it was good enough without mentioning the originator.

Wooddust:
Very difficult one this, and I suppose ultimately it would be for a court to decide what is plagiarism/ breaking copyright. The problem with that, is it costs a lot of money.

added to that the "limit" of what we turn, it may be very difficult to establish in the first place.

A couple of examples of what I mean about "limit":  if turning a 7mm pen there is a limit to the number of shapes that you could use. The Potpourri lid I use in my avatar limits the opening due to it's size.

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